The Shifting Politics of Transgender Rights

跨性别权益的政治变迁

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2025-12-04

1 小时 17 分钟
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The transgender rights movement in America appeared to be gaining momentum. But after suffering a big loss before the Supreme Court in June and facing a shift in public opinion, where does the fight go now?  On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross is joined by Chase Strangio, a transgender rights activist and a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, to discuss strategy in the courtroom and in the court of public opinion — as well as broader philosophical questions about transgender identity. 02:15 - Bostock vs. Clayton County08:30 - United States v. Skrmetti22:57 - Defining sex, gender identity and transgender identity32:52 - Chase talks about “coming home”40:42 - Healthcare for transgender youth is changing56:58 - Sports and transgender athletes1:07:49 - Coexistence within the debate(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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  • This is Nick Kristof.

  • I'm an opinion columnist for The New York Times, and I'm proud that for more than 100 years,

  • The Times has conducted an annual appeal to raise money for charitable organizations.

  • Times journalism is fundamentally about vetting the truth, and in this case, about vetting organizations

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  • I hope you'll consider donating to The New York Times Communities Fund.

  • To learn more, go to nytimes.com Over the last 20 years, America has become more socially liberal on almost every issue.

  • But transgender rights has lately become an exception,

  • a place where the culture war burns hot as public opinion shifts rightward.

  • On specific questions, like transgender participation in high school sports,

  • and general questions about what really defines sex and gender.

  • My own sense is that Americans still broadly support the liberties of transgender adults to live as they wish,

  • and may not support some of the moves the Trump administration is making to limit legal rights.

  • But I also think that many people have become extremely skeptical about all issues involving trans identifying kids.

  • And I also think there's a widespread sense that open debate on some of these fronts was discouraged.

  • That people with doubts or anxieties felt pressured not to raise them.

  • My guest this week, Chase Strangio, has been at the forefront of the activist push on these issues.

  • For instance, as the first openly transgender American to argue before the Supreme Court.

  • Our conversation is about legal strategy, political backlash, the Trump administration,

  • and where this cultural fight might go.