Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor Say the End of the World is Now on the Table

诺米·克莱因和艾斯特拉·泰勒表示,世界末日已摆上桌面。

The Interview

2026-09-12

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In a new book, the writers argue that a powerful coalition of “end times fascists” is just fine with the earth’s demise. Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.comWatch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcastFor transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • We didn't write the book because we think these people are fascinating.

  • I mean, we wrote this book because we want people to fight them and beat them.

  • I'm David Marchese, and today I'm interviewing Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor.

  • They've written a book together called End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World,

  • which argues that a powerful coalition of tech billionaires, anti-immigration operatives,

  • and many on the religious right have united around a shared belief that the world is ending.

  • But rather than prevent its collapse, they want to accelerate it.

  • We call them traitors, but not traitors to nation, not traitors to a flag or a border.

  • But traitors to creation, like traitors to life.

  • Klein has been a prominent voice on the left for decades, writing acclaimed books like The Shock Doctrine,

  • which is about the link between capitalism and crisis.