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It's August 2020, and Andy Burnham
and I are sitting on a bench in a park near where he lives in Wigan, watching the ducks.
We're deep in COVID, which is why we're meeting outside rather than in his office.
It's sunny, he's wearing Birkenstocks.
He's relaxed, but frustrated.
Would you swap places for us, Johnson, if somebody did say, there you go, wait for a bunch of you on.
Would you want to be Prime Minister?
Yeah, of course.
Even right now, at this point in history, I would think it'd be awful.
No easy solutions.
There's no put me saying no, because, you know, I...