In a Driverless World, Who Loses and Who Wins?

在无人驾驶的世界里,谁会失利,谁会得利?

Freakonomics Radio

2026-03-25

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In blue cities across the country, unions and politicians want to ban self-driving cars. In this episode from the Search Engine podcast, PJ Vogt visits Boston to sort the facts from the propaganda. (Part two of a two-part series.)   SOURCES: Carl Richardson, ADA coordinator for the Massachusetts State House, president of the Guide Dog Users of Massachusetts. Gabriela Coletta Zapata, Boston City councilor from District 1. Julia Mejia, Boston City councilor at-large. Timothy B. Lee, author of Understanding AI newsletter.   RESOURCES: "Waymo Hits a Rough Patch in Washington, DC," by Aarian Marshall (WIRED, 2026). "New York drops plan to legalize robotaxis in setback for Waymo," by Andrew J. Hawkins (The Verge, 2026). "Waymo’s next five cities are all in red states," by Timothy B. Lee and Kai Williams (Understanding AI, 2025). "What Waymo could mean for Bostonians with disabilities: independence at their fingertips," by Carl Richardson (Boston Globe, 2025). "Planning, Development and Transportation on July 24, 2025," (Boston City Council, 2025). "Ride-Hailing Drivers in Massachusetts Win Right to Unionize," by Eli Tan (The New York Times, 2024). "East Coast Longshore Workers May Soon Strike," by Joe Demanuelle-Hall (Jacobin, 2024).   EXTRAS: "The Fascinatingly Mundane Secrets of the World’s Most Exclusive Nightclub," by Freakonomics Radio (2024). Search Engine, podcast by PJ Vogt. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner.

  • Last week, you heard part one of a two-part series on the rise of driverless cars.

  • It was made by our friends at the Search Engine podcast, which is hosted by PJ Vogt.

  • If you 've never listened to Search Engine before,

  • I would suggest you also check out their episodes on peptides and anthropic.

  • You can find them on any podcast app.

  • And now here is part two of the Search Engine series on driverless cars.

  • As always, thanks for listening.

  • Our first story was about a driver, a robot driver who evolved over many years at the nudging and training and machinations

  • of a team of tech people in California.

  • The second story I want to tell you also starts with a driver,

  • a driver who is also going to evolve and change due to the machinations of some different West Coast tech companies.

  • The difference is that this driver is a human being.

  • Chapter one, Abdi Aziz.

  • I met Abdi Aziz in Boston, where he's been a driver for many decades.

  • He was doing it all the way back in the 90s.

  • Back then, he considered taxi driver to be a decent job.

  • A career.

  • Professionally, I've been driving for 30 years now. 30 years?

  • Yes.