What Humans, Animals and Plants Tell Us About Consciousness | Michael Pollan

人类、动物与植物向我们揭示的关于意识的知识 | 迈克尔·波伦

Huberman Lab

2026-09-28

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Michael Pollan is a renowned author, journalist and professor at UC Berkeley. He is best known for his influential works on how humans and plants have shaped each other at the level of food, medicine, health, and culture. In this episode we discuss consciousness—what it is and how the recognition between our self vs others contributes to-- but also can impair, certain aspects of conscious experience. We discuss psychedelics, the microbiome, caffeine, and how the unconscious dialogue between our body and brain impacts our thoughts and feelings. Pollan offers a hopeful perspective on how our relationship with plants and animals – including other humans, can lead us to a healthier, and far richer experience of life. Read the full episode show notes at hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman Mateina: https://drinkmateina.com Rorra: https://rorra.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Michael Pollan (00:02:50) Wendell Berry, Nature (00:06:30) Consciousness; Sentience (00:10:04) Environmental Response, Plant Intelligence; Self-Recognition (00:13:52) Sponsors: Eight Sleep & Rorra (00:20:49) Plants, Communication, Sentience, Symbiosis (00:27:37) Self-Awareness, Time; Xenobots, Instinct (00:34:32) Microbiome, Influence & Symbiosis (00:40:28) Meaning; Cortex vs Brain Stem, Homeostatic Feelings (00:47:17) Sponsor: AG1 (00:48:36) Body & Brain Communication, Vagus Nerve (00:57:21) Collective Consciousness, Psychedelics, Ego, Awe (01:08:14) Filter Theories of Consciousness (01:13:28) Sponsor: Function (01:15:06) AI, Consciousness, Feelings; Memory; Quantum Effects (01:21:27) Childhood, Gardening, Interacting with Nature (01:27:08) Hope, Nature & Agency, Food Industry (01:32:21) Advocacy, Psychedelics, Food Industry (01:39:50) Sponsor: Mateina (01:44:52) Psychedelics, Ibogaine, Veterans, Politics; MDMA, Psilocybin; Risk (01:52:18) Caffeine, Caffeine Fast, Health Benefits (02:00:21) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow, Reviews & Feedback, Sponsors, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • I came out of this experience of studying consciousness and looking at all the theories of consciousness.

  • I don't want to give it away, but we have no idea about consciousness,

  • really, how brain matter generates consciousness, if indeed that's how it happens.

  • And there are people who doubt that's how it happens.

  • It could be that the brain channels consciousness, right?

  • I mean, that if you conceive of consciousness as like electromagnetic waves.

  • Brains are like radio receivers or TV receivers.

  • You wouldn't look in the TV set for the woman who gave you the weather report.

  • She's not there.

  • She's somewhere else.

  • So I don't know that that's true,

  • but coming out of this experience of studying this, I don't dismiss an idea like that.

  • You have to keep an open mind because our presumption

  • that consciousness is an emergent property of brain complexity, that idea doesn't have much traction.

  • Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.

  • I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.

  • My guest today is Michael Pollan, author of landmark books including How to Change Your Mind,

  • which is about psychedelics, The Botany of Desire,

  • which is about how humans and plants co-evolved and collaborated to thrive,

  • and The Omnivore's Dilemma, which is an incredible book about food and nutrition.