Si Sheppard – How did a few hundred Spanish soldiers topple two empires?

西什帕德——数百名西班牙士兵是如何颠覆两个帝国的?

Dwarkesh Podcast

2026-10-01

1 小时 37 分钟
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New episode with military historian Si Sheppard. The conquests of the Aztec and Inca empires might be the most shocking events in human history. Hernan Cortés and some hundreds of Conquistadors landed on a new continent they knew basically nothing about, and within 2 and a half years, conquered the 6 million strong Aztec empire. Then, a decade later, Francisco Pizarro did the same thing to an Incan Empire of some 10 million inhabitants. In both cases, the Conquistadors consistently beat native armies while being literally 100x (or even in some cases 1000x) outnumbered - and in many cases, did so without taking a single casualty. And they did this with 99% of their military forces being made up of the very natives they were trying to subjugate. We often forget how wild human history is. People talk about AI takeover as if it would be some crazy, unprecedented sci-fi outcome. But this would not be the first time an alien force whose motives the defenders barely understand use more advanced technology and diplomatic cunning to outmaneuver and then take over a much larger and long established existing order. Watch on YouTube; read the transcript. Sponsors * Jane Street’s intern projects are even more ambitious than I realized. One intern spent his summer researching LLM memorization, figuring out how to quantify and reduce it. This matters because, when Jane Street tests their models on historical data, they need to know that performance reflects predictive power, not just memorized outcomes. Another intern spent his time developing a new activation checkpointing scheme: his custom version ended up outperforming PyTorch’s native one. If you want to read about more 2026 intern projects or apply for Jane Street’s 2027 internships, go to janestreet.com/dwarkesh * Grok Bot can tackle the tasks you’ve been meaning to handle but just haven’t gotten around to. For example, SpaceXAI recently gave Grok Bot access to their procurement contracts, vendor spend, and usage data: it ended up identifying over $100,000 in potential savings for them. I decided to try this on my own spend, and Grok Bot found over $5,000 of savings for me, even though I run a pretty small team. Try it out yourself at x.ai/bot * Antithesis solves one of the biggest problems with traditional software testing: to test for a bug, you first have to be able to imagine it. Antithesis runs your system through thousands of parallel histories and steers your tests for you, injecting faults and generally trying to make everything as adversarial as possible. That way, your software gets tested against scenarios you’d never imagine but that could still arise in the real world. Learn more at antithesis.com/dwarkesh Timestamps (00:00:00) – Cortés’s conquest of the Aztecs (00:22:39) – Pizarro’s conquest of the Inca (00:26:59) – Explaining Conquistador military superiority (00:34:39) – Could the natives have beat the Conquistadors? (00:48:56) – The Aztecs and Incas did not get to learn from each other (00:56:11) – Why Spain still lost in the long run (01:07:47) – Why didn’t the Aztecs/Incas adapt better to European warfare? (01:14:16) – Conquistador motivation (01:26:22) – Why Mughal India also couldn’t play the Europeans off each other (01:33:42) – Diplomacy was just as important as technology This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.dwarkesh.com
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  • Okay, today I'm chatting with professor and military historian, Cy Shepard.

  • I want to talk to you about the conquest of the Aztec and the Inca empires,

  • because these are some of the most shocking events in human history,

  • unparalleled among all the military and diplomatic achievements ever made.

  • You have a few hundred conquistadors show up to a new continent they know nothing about,

  • and within a matter of years, they subjugate empires which have millions of inhabitants in them.

  • In the process of doing so, they are often winning battles where they are outnumbered 100x to 1, 1000x to 1,

  • and in many cases not even taking a single casualty.

  • They're doing this while upwards of 99% of their fighting forces

  • are made up of the very natives that they're going to subjugate.

  • And I wanted to have you on to talk about this episode.

  • We're not going to focus on it.

  • We're mostly talking about history here.

  • But people think of AI takeover as this crazy sci-fi scenario.

  • But this would not be the first time in history that an alien force with motivations

  • that the natives don't understand is able to use diplomatic cunning

  • and technological advantages to outmaneuver and then take over a much larger and well-established order.

  • And so I wanted to have you on to...

  • Understand what happened here.

  • So first, I would love to hear the stories of what did Cortez do?