Is Anything Holding MAGA Together?

有什么在维系着“让美国再次伟大”(MAGA)的团结?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2025-12-11

1 小时 9 分钟
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After Charlie Kirk’s assassination, conspiracy theories and divisions multiplied on the right. On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross talks to Andrew Kolvet, a Turning Point USA spokesperson and executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” about what happens to a movement when its charismatic leader is gone, what it’s like to be the target of conspiracy theories, and whether there are any issues unifying conservatism now. 01:32 - Andrew’s friendship with Charlie Kirk05:18 - Turning Point U.S.A.’s activism and impact11:16 - Charlie Kirk’s assassination and its aftermath18:42 - The divisions on the right start with conspiracy theories 38:28 - “Can the right hold together on Israel?”41:19 - Stress-testing the cohesion on the right56:08 - The Erika Kirk/Trump contrast(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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  • From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.

  • This is Interesting Times.

  • And what does populist conservatism actually want as we enter the waning years of the age of Trump?

  • My guest today is Andrew Colvet, who is Charlie Kirk's close confidant.

  • Since the assassination, he's taken on many of Kirk's responsibilities,

  • including hosting his podcast, The Charlie Kirk Show.

  • That's placed him in the thick of an ongoing struggle

  • to define Kirk's own legacy and the future of American conservatism.

  • Andrew Colvert, welcome to Interesting Times.

  • Thank you.

  • Honored to be here.

  • So I want to start just by doing a kind of introduction

  • and having you explain your current role as a steward of the organizations that Charlie Kirk built.