Mark Nepo: Being Faithful to the Truth of the Journey

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  Poetry in any art form, I believe, is meant to marry what is, with what can be, so that we do not ignore the truth of what is, as the Buddhists talk about, you know, about that, seeing things as they are, which is a hard, simple and difficult practice.

• 00:24

  I'm pretty excited to share this episode with you.

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  It's a conversation with poet, spiritual teacher, multi time New York Times bestselling author, Mark Nepo.

• 00:34

  He was on the show last year, I think it was, and we went deep into his journey, his incredible path, his earlier in life, cancer, and how that profoundly changed him, his work as a poet and as a teacher and a writer and a world traveler and a questioner of pretty much everything, an internal student.

• 00:53

  Such profound learnings and incredible, beautiful, vulnerable, open journey.

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  And Mark is back with me today.

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  He's actually written two books that are released this year.

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  One is called the one life we're given and this incredible collection of poems that span three decades of his life, along with a whole bunch of really powerful new ones.

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  And that's called the way under the way.

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  And this is a really deep, wide ranging conversation.

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  We get into poetry.

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  Poetry is life what it means.

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  Poetry as the utterance of the soul, poetry as truth.

• 01:29

  We get into writing, we get into a lot of what's going on in the world today, and we kind of get into what it means to lead and to be in the world today, and to breathe and to find space as we navigate shifting landscape.

• 01:42

  You're going to get what I call the full New York City experience with this particular conversation.

• 01:49

  The conversation is immensely powerful and deep and honest, and at the same time, our normal studio was going through some shifts.

• 01:58

  So we ended up in a room that we were told beforehand was extraordinarily quiet.

• 02:03

  And we found out once we arrived that in fact, there was construction going on right outside the door, and it happened to be right at the nexus of where, let's say, a lot of sirens ended up going by.

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  So rather than shutting down this conversation, because Mark was in town for a limited time and I know how beautiful his soul is and how powerful these conversations are with him, we decided to go ahead with it.

• 02:27

  So I just wanted to give you a little bit of context as we're talking.

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