Byron Katie: Doing The Work and Awakening to Joy.

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  Let's say I'm a little four or five year old child.

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  I'm plain, I'm happy, I have this amazing life.

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  And my mother says, byron, Kathleen, you're unlovable and I don't love you.

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  And what I can see today is that is absolutely not a problem.

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  So if you've heard the name of today's guest, Byron Cady, it's probably in conjunction with something called the work.

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  When Katie, as she goes by, was sort of in the middle years of her life with a family in the mid eighties, she was entering probably close to ten years of a deep, all consuming depression.

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  Until one day she was lying on the floor and quite literally experienced a moment of awakening into a state of what some might even call enlightenment.

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  She lost her sense of the past, of the future, felt only the present, and almost had to relearn what the world was and who she was in the world, and was in that moment, also transmitted some deeper understanding of the difference between reality and illusion, suffering and joy, and spent the next few years developing a process of inquiry, which she calls the work, which is a very simple set of four questions that she has then taught now to millions of people to help them question their own realities and discover what is true, what is false, in the name of removing suffering in all of our lives.

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  I had the chance to sit down with her and her husband, Stephen Mitchell, who is a deep scholar in his own right, especially in eastern traditions and philosophies.

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  And they have a new book out now called a mind at home with itself.

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  It's an exploration of a very classic text called the Diamond Sutra, which is one of the most profound and somewhat esoteric deep dives around what is real and the essence of who we are.

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  And to get their lens on this, to just have a chance to really sit down with Katie, get her take on this, to have her share her personal story firsthand, and then also have Steven's contribution and his lens on this story, his experience of it, as they've moved together in the later part of their lives, was really powerful.

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  Excited to share this conversation with you.

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  I'm Jonathan Fields, and this is good life project.

• 02:41

  So good to be hanging out with both of you today.

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  It's funny because it's sort of an odd, odd twist.

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  I actually was familiar with Steven's work before I was familiar with your work, Katie.

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  Yes, that's usually the case.

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  Is that really.

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  No, no, no.

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