The Art and Science of Listening | Kate Murphy

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  My guest, Kate Murphy, is a Houston, Texas based reporter whose writing has appeared in the New York Times, Economist, Texas Monthly, and so many other places.

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  But she didn't start out or have a dream to be a journalist or even a writer in the beginning.

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  In fact, she was doing a PhD in psych focused on business industrial psychology when she left and started doing a bit of writing for a small, local free paper with no background in journalism or writing as a way to pay her bills, not realizing that the company also owned similar and larger journals around the country and the work that she was creating for them would end up being distributed in a wide variety of newspapers all over the country, giving her exposure and launching a career in journalism where she's been entirely self taught.

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  And along the way, she would discover the importance of listening and became really curious about the state of listening in the world.

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  This led to a deep dive and eventually a new book, you're not listening, that is fun.

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  And an insightful tour through the world of listening.

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  We explore Kate's journey along with some really eye opening and surprising science and insights about listening in today's conversation.

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  She even explains why I, as a lefty, always listen to podcasts with only one ear in my right ear.

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  So it was kind of fascinating.

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  So excited to share this conversation with you.

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  I'm Jonathan Fields, and this is good life project.

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  I never set out to be a journalist, and so I've always been a listener, and I fell into being a journalist.

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  No kidding.

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  So what's the backstory there?

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  You know, I was in a PhD program for industrial organizational psychology, and I hated it.

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  You know, I got into it with this idea that I wanted to make the world better for people because they spend most of their day at work.

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  And so I wanted to find ways to make that more pleasurable.

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  But once I got into the program, it was mainly statistics, and it was creating employment tests to weed out the wackos, essentially, you know, who would be causing a problem.

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  And I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life.

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  And so I am very much not a quitter.

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