Sotheby's Talks | How Do Objects Achieve Iconic Status, with Grayson Perry and Xa Sturgis

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  I would love to hear how you each understand and define the term icon.

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  I think we all know it's somewhat fraught from overuse and it would be interesting to hear why in fact you think it is so popular.

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  So Helmer, what are your thoughts?

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  I think that it starts with the image,

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  something instantly recognisable that you have a deep connection with.

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  There's an element of veneration.

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  We come to the religious association.

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  And I think there's also something to do with the story,

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