It's come to this: Human certification in the age of AI slop

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  Ned Hayes is a novelist.

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  He's written eight books,

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  and a few years ago he was reading to a book group in Portland, Oregon.

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  Ned was narrating his novel he'd labored over, The Eagle Tree.

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  And someone at the reading said, well, you know,

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  I could probably push a button and create a novel this good.

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  I bet Ned wanted to push a button and have a trap door open underneath that person.

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  But also to Ned, this didn't quite make sense.

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  Saying a chatbot could write a book misses the point of art.

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  The fact that a writer spent several years ideating on a book and thinking about it and plotting

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  and writing graphs and throwing them away, that's the love of writing and reading.

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  And when you're reading something, you're reading that journey.

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  You're reading for the backstory.

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  So in a world of more and more AI art,

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  Ned wanted to know how someone could prove to the world that they created their artworks themselves.

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  This is The Indicator from Planet Money.

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  I'm Darian Woods.

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  And I'm Waylon Wong.

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  Today on the show, artists versus AI slop.

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  We tell the story of how Ned Hayes took that comment from that reading

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