Is Ukraine’s Culture Worth Fighting For? With Charlotte Higgins

乌克兰的文化值得为之战斗吗?——与夏洛特·希金斯对话

Intelligence Squared

2026-08-23

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Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine has placed not only lives and cities under attack, but also the country’s language, history and culture. Museums have been looted, cultural sites destroyed and a generation of writers, artists and performers drawn into the war. Yet amid this devastation, art has become a powerful form of documentation, resistance and survival. In this episode, journalist and author Hannah Lucinda Smith speaks with Guardian chief culture writer Charlotte Higgins about her book Ukrainian Lessons: A Journey into the Art and Life of a Country at War and the reporting journeys that transformed her understanding of the relationship between culture and conflict. Charlotte reflects on arriving in Kyiv during a major missile attack, learning Ukrainian and meeting the artists determined to record their experiences in their own words. Why do writers turn to poetry in times of war? What makes people risk their lives to protect paintings, manuscripts and museum objects? And how can art restore meaning when violence has torn it apart? Charlotte also remembers the Ukrainian novelist and war crimes investigator Victoria Amelina, who was killed in a Russian missile strike in 2023, and explores what her life and unfinished work reveal about the human cost of the war. Charlotte Higgins is the chief culture writer at The Guardian and the author of Ukrainian Lessons: A Journey into the Art and Life of a Country at War. Hannah Lucinda Smith is a journalist and author whose reporting has taken her across Europe and the Middle East. Her latest book is Hinterlands: A Journey Through the New Europe. If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.

  • I'm senior producer Mia Sorrenti.

  • When a country is fighting for its survival, why does culture matter?

  • And what makes people risk their lives to protect poems, paintings and stories in the midst of war?

  • On today's episode, Charlotte Higgins, Chief Culture Writer at The Guardian,

  • joins Hannah Lucinda-Smith to discuss her book Ukrainian Lessons, a journey into the art and life of a country at war,

  • and what Ukraine's artists, writers and cultural institutions reveal about the role of art in documenting war.

  • Resisting erasure and preserving a sense of national identity.

  • Let's join our host, Hannah Lucinda-Smith, now with more.

  • Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 heralded a war in which not only people and places,

  • but also language, history and culture are under attack.

  • When the journalist Charlotte Higgins, who reports on culture for The Guardian,

  • travelled to the country soon after the war began, it was to take part in the Lviv Book Forum,

  • an event held in defiance of the attempted desecration of Ukrainian culture.

  • Since then, she has travelled back to the country repeatedly to report

  • on the impact of the conflict on Ukraine's art and cultural community.

  • She's also been learning the Ukrainian language, and she documents all of this in her new book, Ukrainian Lessons.

  • Charlotte, welcome to Intelligence Squared.

  • Well, thank you so much.

  • And what an honour and a pleasure to be talking to you.