Why infinite scroll's inventor wants to kill his creation

为何无限滚动功能的发明者想要消灭自己的作品

The Indicator from Planet Money

2026-04-07

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Come see Planet Money live on stage! 12 cities. Details and tix here: planetmoneybook.com  We practically live on our phones these days. Scrolling and scrolling, endlessly. Entrepreneur Aza Raskin is responsible for creating this infinite scroll. He also testified against Meta, who have been under fire — and in court — charged with making their apps addictive to children.   On today’s show: Raskin tells us about the changes he thinks platforms should make to help people take their attention back.  Related episodes: The Social Media Crisis How algorithms are changing the way we speak For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Fact-checking by Cooper Katz McKim. Music by Drop Electric. Find us: TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Newsletter.   To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. NPR Privacy Policy
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  • Hey, Darian Woods here.

  • It is a big day in the Planet Money world today.

  • Our book is finally out and you can buy it in stores.

  • It's called Planet Money, a guide to the economic forces that shape your life.

  • And if you do go by, let us know what you think and take a pic of you reading it and tag us.

  • Let's see if we can make this a bestseller.

  • NPR.

  • If you spend even a little bit of time on social media, you know how addictive it can be.

  • You wake up in the morning and you scroll through your feed.

  • You check it again on your way to work and during work.

  • You scroll when you're eating lunch, when you're laying down to bed, even when you're on the toilet.

  • Well, speak for yourself.

  • But no, I imagine a lot of our listeners are even scrolling right now.

  • Yeah.

  • And if this is you, don't feel too embarrassed because this is what these apps were designed for, to keep users engaged.

  • And they do it so well that it's become a liability for them.

  • That's right.

  • A couple of weeks ago, a jury in Los Angeles found Meta and Google negligent for designing apps like Instagram and YouTube

  • to be addictive and harmful to children's mental health.

  • The same week, a jury in Santa Fe found Meta is harming children's mental health and safety.