2026-08-03
2 小时 27 分钟A famous immunologist in the 1970s drew this parallel in wartime
and said in World War II, submarines had two sets of books.
One of them was a book that gave them the sound profile of all the U.S.
Submarines.
And so they could listen to the whir of the engines.
And if they heard a whir of the engine that had the certain cycle of a general motors engine, they wouldn't fire.
So that's the sort of like self, I know what self is.
And then they had another book that was the engine sounds
of the known diesel engines of whatever engines of the German submarines.
And if they heard that, then they absolutely would fire.
And that's a self versus non-self discrimination problem, just like the immune system has to do.
But what I bring you with aging is this concept
that as you get weirder and different, your body is getting like more complex.
Then those books, you know, start to have every possible,
possibly every possible permutation of every biomolecule could be made by your body at that point.
And then a virus doesn't necessarily have anything unique about it.
Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
My guest today is Dr. Max Krummel, a professor
and leading expert in immunology and cancer biology at the University of California, San Francisco.