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So basically, Dominic, what I'm saying is that the idea of greatness comes from ancient history.
Yeah.
But you, of course, you're a modern historian.
So, I mean, basically, you don't have great people.
No, not really.
Apathy is so underrated.
Yes.
Because the more, you know, if you ever want to find somewhere where everyone cares about politics,
they're talking about politics, that place is Spain, 1934. You don't want to be there.
Happy the land that takes no interest in politics.
Right, exactly.
In the English Civil War, I was identified with the club men.
They were people who basically didn't want to fight on either side.
They'd fight both.
So they would get clubs, hence their name.