Why Starmer is happy to argue with Trump — and how he might help him over Iran

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  We have to reopen the Strait of Hormuz to ensure stability in the modern.

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  That is not a simple task.

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  There are different ways that we could contribute, including with mine-hunting drones.

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  We will not be drawn into the wider world.

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  You're the Prime Minister, you can make your own.

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  Why do you have to meet with your team to find out whether

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  or not you're going to send some minesweepers to us?

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  Welcome to The State of It,

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  the political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times.

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  I'm Stephen Swinford, the political editor of The Times.

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  I'm Gabriel Pogrand, Whitehall editor at The Sunday Times.

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  And joining us down the line is Patrick Maguire, chief political commentator of The Times.

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  Here in our corporate headquarters we have an enormous Patrick in front of us

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  on a very large screen.

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  Sort of like my dreams at night.

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  Anyway.

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  Right, this week we are going to be talking about the special relationship.

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  Has it hit a new low?

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  It feels like it has after Donald Trump's latest extraordinary tirade against Keir Starmer.

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  We are going to talk about the British military intervention potentially

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