How to win at AI (if you’re not the US or China), with AI minister Kanishka Narayan

When the US government banned a top AI lab from exporting its newest models, the world took notice. Export controls forbidding foreign access to Anthropic’s Mythos and Fable systems locked most of the world out of using this cutting-edge technology. As AI becomes more embedded in our daily lives, countries want to secure access to frontier models. But unless you’re the US or China, your country doesn’t have a top-tier national champion. So what can other countries do to secure sovereign control over AI? What kind of leverage can they exert? And can they use AI to boost – rather than break – their economies? Soumaya speaks to UK AI minister Kanishka Narayan to discuss. Subscribe to Soumaya's show on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen. Further Reading UK companies ‘should be worried’ about Anthropic’s latest AI model, minister says Did Anthropic talk its way into an AI export ban? Anthropic chief tells G7 leaders to ‘resist the temptation to splinter’ over AI Presented by Soumaya Keynes. Produced by Mischa Frankl-Duval. Manuela Saragosa is the executive producer. Sound design by Sean McGarrity. Original music by Breen Turner. Broadcast engineering by Andrew Georgiades. Flo Phillips is the FT’s head of audio. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.