Give a Little Whistle

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This American Life

2026-03-09

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Two lawyers who work for ICE step forward and lift the curtain on what is really happening inside our immigration system right now. Visit thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners to sign up for our premium subscription. Prologue: Two lawyers dive into the details of what they’ve witnessed behind the scenes in different parts of the immigration system. (2 minutes)Act One: Former ICE attorney Ryan Schwank explains the chaos and dysfunction he observed at an ICE training academy, which led him to whistleblow to Congress two weeks ago. (12 minutes)Act Two: A federal judge orders the government to immediately release a bunch of people from detention. Days pass, and the government doesn’t comply. So the judge calls a hearing to figure out what’s going on. The lawyer's response is not what he or anybody expected. (25 minutes)Transcripts are available at thisamericanlife.org This American Life privacy policy. Learn more about sponsor message choices.
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  • Immigration officials have been doing a lot of things lately that seem very hard to explain,

  • ignoring court orders, shooting civilians.

  • And when asked why these things are happening, as we've all seen,

  • we don't exactly get a frank and honest account from officials,

  • but we get our talking points, many of which don't turn out to be true.

  • But recently, refreshingly, two different lawyers who worked for ICE stepped forward,

  • separately, and lifted the curtain.

  • to reveal all kinds of details about what is really happening right now inside our immigration system.

  • And I know there have been a couple of quotes from each of these people in the news,

  • but I have to say,

  • when you dive into the details of everything that they witnessed,

  • it's satisfying in this way that I really didn't even know I craved.

  • Because they're not talking about like this or that specific incident,

  • but about the entire system being broken and they lay it out.

  • Today on our show, what we're gonna do is we're gonna bring you their stories,

  • and I think you'll see what I mean.

  • From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life, I'm Eric Glass,

  • and we're just gonna jump right in right now with act one.

  • Act one, I got the memo.

  • Okay, so this thing just happened two weeks ago,