Ukraine extra: burner phones and lost children

乌克兰特辑:燃烧的手机和失踪的儿童

World in 10

2026-02-26

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Join Caroline as she visits Ukraine on the fourth anniversary of Russia's invasion. Burner phones to make sure the Russians don't track them as they travel in on a train called the Bravery Express. A meeting with the first lady, and with a woman who was captured and held in a forced labour camp. Kyiv is a busy, modern city where some residents have to find tents to get heating and electricity. Caroline Wheeler, political editor, The Sunday Times Producer: Euan Dawtrey Executive producer: Molly Guinness Picture credit: Getty Images Email us: thestateofit@thetimes.co.uk This podcast was brought to you thanks to subscribers of The Times and The Sunday Times. To enjoy unlimited digital access to all our journalism subscribe here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • So we have just arrived at the airport.

  • We're going to be getting one of the Royal Plains which the government charters to do these kind of trips.

  • We are going into Ukraine for the anniversary of the conflict,

  • the fourth anniversary on the 24th of February.

  • I was there for the first anniversary three years ago.

  • I went there sort of on my own and wrote a big piece of The Sunday Times about how the government of Ukraine was being run in the dark because of the threat of drones.

  • They had to put sandbags up and all the rooms and all the corridors were pitch black.

  • going in to meet who was then Zelensky's right-hand man Andre Jermak and subsequently that I've also been in on the overnight train as well with Salindy Hoyle the speaker of the House of Commons that was a trip and a half that was in the VIP train overnight I think it'll be a similar train this evening once we get to the border we usually fly either to Warsaw but you can also fly a bit closer to the border to a place called reservoirs And then you tend to get the train on the border.

  • I'm not breaking any security details here.

  • These trains are used routinely.

  • There's been lots written about them.

  • They're quite a thing.

  • And obviously we won't be publishing this recording until after we've returned.

  • So we're not jeopardising or endangering anybody on the journey.

  • But I'll come back to you when I'm either on the plane or when we get to Poland and just let you know how we're doing.

  • The jet's rumbling, about to go on the back step of this plane.

  • As you can see, the best we can do with Sky News is just doing the feature camera,

  • which is the only other journalist coming on this trip,

  • which is the poor camera for the broadcast round.

  • And we're still waiting for the Cabinet Minister to join us, but we're bored in now.