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So, Chris, we're here at the Excel Center in East London, which is a vast, vast, vast events venue.
It is.
Landyards everywhere and people, me included,
staring around looking totally lost because they are and then realizing that the whole number,
whatever, whatever, whatever, is a quarter of a mile walk away.
And what we're actually at is an event being hosted by Microsoft with various breakout rooms about AI and technology.
But the breakout room we're in has just been where David Lambie,
the Justice Secretary, has been doing a quite big, wide-ranging speech.
And he's invited us to have a conversation with him about his reforms.
But Chris,
just the back story to this is he's putting forward a very controversial reform about changing which trials happen with a jury.