Finland is a country with a low tolerance for showing off.
Yet its president, Alexander Stutt, has become famous on the world stage.
He's tall, athletic, good at golf, and that makes him one of Europe's top Trump whispersers.
That's useful, because as a Finn,
he also knows the danger of underestimating Russia, the giant next door.
In recent months, Mr Stutt was stood out as an optimist.
suggesting that America's arm twisting will strengthen the Atlantic Alliance.
He's even pitched a plan to save the rules-based international order.
I sat down with Mr.
Stutt at the Munich Security Conference on Valentine's Day.
There were no hearts and roses.
In fact, as you'll see, his usual cheer is tempered by a steely realism.
President Alexander Stubb, welcome to Inside Geopolitics.
Thanks for having me.
So you are the stay calm guy.
It's a very finished thing to be, right?
You're cool, calm, optimistic.
But you've also admitted that this is a moment where we're in a fight for the kind of future world order.
So are you still the stay calm guy now?
Yeah, definitely.