2026-02-19
1 小时 50 分钟Welcome, everyone.
I'm Jared, and you are listening to the Change Log,
where each week we interview the hackers, the leaders, and the innovators of the software world.
On this episode, Steve Ruiz joins us for a deep dive on TL Draw.
a very good free whiteboard and the business he's built selling SDKs that help others build very good whiteboards and more with TLDRAW's high-performance web canvas.
Along the way, we discussed the excitement slash fear we share about keeping our agents busy,
how SDK and Infra companies are affected differently by agentic software than SaaS companies,
how Steve is approaching the coming era of internal tooling,
what will happen when we equip LLMs with an infinite canvas, and a whole lot more.
But first, a big thank you to our partners at fly.io,
the platform for devs who just want to ship, build fast, run any code fearlessly at fly.io.
Okay, Steve Ruiz with TL Draw on the changelog.
Let's do it.
Well, friends, I'm here with my good friend Chris Kelly over at Augment Code.
Chris, I'm a fan.
I use Augie on the daily.
It's one of my daily drivers.
Now I use cloud code.
I use Augment, Augie.
And I also use AMP code and others, but Augie, I keep going back to it.