Freedom or power?

自由抑或权力?

Round Table China

2026-02-18

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Round Table presents the third of six stories from the new podcast, "Sage and Youth: Debating Zhuangzi's Tao." In this episode: is true freedom found outside fame and office? Zhuangzi refuses political power, raising a timeless question about success. One side defends spiritual independence. The other argues real influence requires stepping into the system. For more fascinating stories and heated debates, search "Sage and Youth: Debating Zhuangzi's Tao."
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  • Discussion keeps the world turning.

  • You are listening to Roundtable, I am Niu Honglin.

  • Today, we are bringing a new special series on Zhuangzi,

  • one of the most influential philosophers of ancient China, a new episode on this new series.

  • In the podcast program Sage and Youth, Debating Zhuangzi Style,

  • we explore some of the most fascinating stories from Zhuangzi and reflect on what they reveal about how we live,

  • think and choose today.

  • For this episode, we bring you the story of Huizi Xiangliang,

  • a story that inspires us to ask, is true freedom only found outside fame and office?

  • Please enjoy the story as well as the following debate.

  • Over two million years ago,

  • the landscape of ancient China was like a chessboard of warring kingdoms,

  • a time when the clangor of souls was as common as the whisperings of wisdom.

  • Amidst of this cacophony of power struggles, there emerged a philosopher named Zhuangzi,

  • whose thoughts dance to the rhythm of a different tune.

  • Uninterested in the seductive dance of power,

  • he found himself the unlikely target of a royal imitation.

  • So when the King of Chu sent two officials to offer him the position of the Kingdom's Prime Minister,

  • their proposal hardly seemed to stir the philosopher's peaceful state of mind.

  • I've heard tales of a sacred turtle, cherished by your king.