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If you're listening to Roundtable, I'm Niu Huling.
Coming up soon,
I'm very excited to introduce a brand new podcast focusing on one of the most influential ancient Chinese philosopher industry.
What's more fun about this new show is that on top of inspiring little stories from the time-tested classic,
we are also giving it a modern twist.
So stay tuned to find out more.
2000 years ago, a Chinese philosopher asked a simple but unsettling question.
How do you know you're awake and not dreaming?
How to tell reality from imagination?
His name was Zhuangzi.
He wrote about giant fish turning into birds.
useless trees that survive precisely because they're useless,
and a man who dreamed he was a butterfly, only to wake up unsure which one was real.
Today, Zhuangzi is often quoted, rarely really understood,
and almost never debated the way he deserves to be.
So who was Zhuangzi?
A mystique?
A rebel?
A comedian disguised as a philosopher?