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  Hey there, it is the NPR Politics Podcast for Tuesday, February 11th, 2026.

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  I'm Miles Parks, I cover voting.

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  I'm Ashley Lopez, I cover politics.

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  And I'm Mara Eliason, senior national political correspondent.

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  And today on the show, it's another edition of our Swing Voter series.

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  We're checking in monthly with voters who voted for Joe Biden in 2020.

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  and switch to Donald Trump in 2024 to see how they're feeling about everything right now.

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  We heard from swing voters in Pennsylvania last month.

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  You can go find that show earlier in the feed.

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  But today we're going to Arizona.

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  Ashley, tell us a little bit more about the voters we're going to hear from today.

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  Yeah.

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  So just like last time we talked to 14 voters, seven in each focus group.

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  This time there was a pretty good mix politically for people out of the 14 identified as Democrats,

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  three as Republicans, and we got seven independents, which make up...

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  a big chunk of swing voters.

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  So this was a really good mix of folks.

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  Was there any broad takeaways, I guess, a big picture before we drill down into specific issues?

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  Sure.

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  So not surprisingly, because we're in Arizona or, you know,

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