Dan Awrey on the Future of the U.S. Payments System in a Digital World

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Macro Musings with David Beckworth

2026-02-09

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Dan Awrey is a professor of Law at Cornell University and the author of the new book Beyond Banks: Technology, Regulation, and the Future of Money. Dan returns to the show to discuss his new book, the shadow monetary system, the case for markets to correct this problem, Gresham's new law, his proposals for fixing the payments system, and much more. Check out the transcript for this week's episode, now with links. Recorded on January 13th, 2025 Subscribe to David's Substack: Macroeconomic Policy Nexus Follow David Beckworth on X: @DavidBeckworth Follow Dan Awrey on X: @DanAwrey Follow the show on X: @Macro_Musings Check out our Macro Musings merch! Subscribe to David's new BTS YouTube Channel  Timestamps 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:16 - Beyond Banks 00:16:04 - Shadow Monetary System 00:26:07 - Can't Markets Solve Payment Problems? 00:28:16 - Gresham's New Law 00:40:27 - Dan's Proposal for Money and Payments 00:55:51 - Outro
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  • Welcome to Macro Musings,

  • where each week we pull back the curtain and take a closer look at the most important macroeconomic issues of the past,

  • present, and future.

  • I am your host, David Beckworth,

  • a senior research fellow with the Mercatus Center at George Mason University,

  • and I'm glad you decided to join us.

  • Our guest today is Dan Ari.

  • Dan is a professor of law at Cornell University and is the author of a new book titled Beyond Banks,

  • Technology, Regulation, and the Future of Money.

  • In it,

  • Dan argues that our financial system is built around a deep and increasingly strained bundling of banking,

  • money, and payments.

  • He introduces what he calls Gresham's new law,

  • the idea that technology advances and payments outpaces the legal and institutional frameworks needed to ensure sound money.

  • We'll talk about how banks came to dominate money and payments,

  • why so much innovation is happening outside the banking system,

  • why bankruptcy is the Achilles heel of many new monetary instruments,

  • and how recent policy proposals like the Genius Act tie into a broader blueprint for reform.

  • Dan, welcome to the show.

  • Thank you so much, David.