We're living in interesting times, a turning point in history.
Are we entering a dark authoritarian era or are we on the brink of a technological golden age or the apocalypse?
No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.
From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat and on my show, Interesting Times,
I'm exploring this strange new world order with the thinkers and leaders giving it shape.
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From The New York Times, I'm Michael Balbaro.
This is The Daily.
The question of what to do about undocumented immigrants has long bonded President Trump to his supporters,
so much so that an overwhelming majority of them back his all-out crackdown over the past year.
But Then came the extraordinary events of the past few weeks in Minneapolis,
where federal agents killed two American citizens in the streets.
Suddenly, two of the MAGA movement's biggest priorities,
fighting illegal immigration and fighting government overreach,
were colliding in the most vivid way imaginable.
Today.
We speak with Trump voters about how they're making sense of that clash and how,
in some cases, it's fundamentally changing their view of the president.
It's Monday, February 9th.
Hi, this is Caitlin calling from the New York Times.