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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service.
I'm Alex Ritzen and at 16 Hours GMT on Thursday the 5th of February, these are our main stories.
Peace talks between Ukraine, Russia and the US come to an end in Abu Dhabi,
but with no sign of an agreement on territory.
Funding cuts in danger, the UN Human Rights Office.
And we have a special report on the struggle for health care for mothers and their newborns in Gaza.
Also in this podcast,
Britain's embattled Prime Minister defends himself for appointing a now disgraced party grandee.
The answers he gave were lies.
He portrayed Epstein as someone he barely knew.
Such deceit is incompatible with public service.
We start in Ukraine.
Where President Zelensky and his Polish counterpart Donald Tusk laid wreaths to commemorate Ukrainian soldiers who died in 2014 in an earlier conflict with Russia.
Meanwhile, the current fighting continues,