Jimmy Wales: Wikipedia's founder on surviving AI

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Babbage from The Economist

2026-01-29

40 分钟
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Wikipedia, a volunteer-written encyclopedia, has defied the odds to become one of the world's most popular—and trusted—websites. Today, the project is under threat from divisive politics and the rise of generative AI. But Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's resilient founder, argues that the encyclopedia—and the human values which underpin it—are more relevant than ever. Host: Alok Jha, The Economist's science and technology editor. Guests: Andrew Palmer, host of The Economist's “Boss Class” podcast; and Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and the author of “The Seven Rules of Trust: Why It Is Today's Most Essential Superpower”. Andrew's new series of “Boss Class”, which explores how to master management in the age of AI, is out on January 29th. Transcripts of our podcasts are available via economist.com/podcasts. Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to Economist Podcasts+. For more information about how to access Economist Podcasts+, please visit our FAQs page or watch our video explaining how to link your account.
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  • The Economist.

  • To start this episode, let’s play a game.

  • Can you guess what links all these sounds?

  • This amazing little device holds a thousand songs, and it goes right in my pocket.

  • 2001 was something of a banner year for technology.

  • The world got its first look at Apple’s iPod.

  • Microsoft released its Xbox,

  • setting that staid corporate software company on the path

  • to becoming a behemoth of the gaming industry.

  • Also, some entrepreneurs had the idea to reinvent the way people recorded and shared knowledge.

  • Remember, this was the early days of the World Wide Web.

  • Big companies, and some people who were early adopters,

  • had websites where they could display information about themselves.

  • But Jimmy Wales, and his philosopher friend Larry Sanger,

  • wanted to use the web for something more intellectual.

  • They wanted to create an online resource of knowledge, curated not by experts, but by anyone, anywhere.

  • Jimmy Wales’s website, founded in 2001,

  • went on to become one of the most visited parts of the internet.

  • Today, Wikipedia contains more than 7 million articles in English, a total of more than 5 billion words.

  • It’s also spread to hundreds of languages around the world.