I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.
Ever since chat GBT was unveiled last year,
we've heard constant warnings about the effects of artificial intelligence on just about everything.
Ian Bremmer, founder of the Eraser Group and Mustafa Suleyman,
founder of the AI companies DeepMind and InflectionAI,
highlight what may be the most significant effect in a new assay for foreign affairs.
They argue that AI will transform power,
including the power balance between states and the companies driving the new technology.
policymakers are already behind the curve.
And if they do not catch up soon, it is possible they never will.
Ian Mustafa,
thanks so much
for joining me and for the fantastic essay titled the AI Power Paradox that the two of you contributed to our new issue.
Thanks for having us.
Mustafa, I want to start with you with a foundational question about where we are on the technology.
I think for a lot of us who Don't work in the field.
You don't follow this day to day.
Really sat up last year when OpenAI rolled out JetGBT.
But OpenAI had, of course, been working on that technology for years.
You'd co-founded a different AI company, DeepMind,