Bonus: How the War in Gaza Is Reshaping the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

加薪:加沙战争如何重塑以巴冲突

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2023-12-21

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Hamas’s attack on October 7 shocked the world and upended the status quo in the Middle East. As Israel’s war in Gaza continues, the two-state solution seems more out of reach than ever. And yet, close observers of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict understand that for there to ever be peace, a political solution must go hand in hand with any military strategy.  At a Foreign Affairs live event on December 14, Lisa Anderson, Salam Fayyad, and Amos Yadlin joined Foreign Affairs Editor Daniel Kurtz-Phelan to explore these issues and more.  Anderson is the James T. Shotwell professor of international relations emerita at Columbia University and was the president of The American University in Cairo from 2011 to 2015. Fayyad served as the prime minister of the Palestinian Authority from 2007 to 2013. Yadlin is a retired major general in the Israeli Air Force and served as head of Israel’s Military Intelligence Directorate from 2006 to 2010. Together, they discussed Israeli strategy, whether Hamas can actually be destroyed, and whether there is any hope for a return to a peace process. This is an edited version of their conversation. You can find transcripts and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • This was obviously an intelligence and moral surprise and trauma for Israel,

  • but in some respects the same can be said for the Biden administration.

  • Hamas' attack on October 7th shocked the world and upended the status quo in the Middle East.

  • With no end in sight to the war in Gaza, much remains unclear.

  • what Israel's endgame is, who will govern Gaza when the fighting ends,

  • how the last two months have reshaped the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

  • To talk through these questions, I was recently joined by Lisa Anderson,

  • Salam Fayyad, and Amos Yadlan for a foreign affairs live event.

  • We discussed the Israeli strategy, whether Hamas can actually be destroyed,

  • and whether there is any hope for a return to a peace process.

  • Thanks so much and welcome all to this Foreign Affairs discussion marking the release.

  • just a couple of days ago of our January, February 2024 issue,

  • we wanted to use this occasion to bring together a few authors who have contributed some of the notable pieces both to that issue of the magazine and to foreignaffairs.com

  • since October 7th and

  • since the start of the war in Gaza in the hopes that they can shed some light on how we got here and where we are,

  • but also more importantly on how we might go forward and how some of the key Decision makers in governments and institutions can constructively shape those outcomes.

  • I believe all three of them are fairly well known to most of you joining the discussion today.

  • We have Lisa Anderson.

  • Lisa is a professor of international relations at Columbia University.