Putin’s Fragile Compact With the Russian People

普京与俄罗斯民众脆弱的契约

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2024-01-11

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There’s a growing sense that Russian President Vladimir Putin is in a pretty good position heading into 2024. Certainly that’s what Putin wants the rest of the world to think—that he can outlast Ukraine and its supporters in the West. Yet the situation looks more complicated on the ground in Russia.  And there are few people better positioned to make sense of that reality than Andrei Kolesnikov. Kolesnikov, a journalist and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, has been in Moscow since the war began. Over the last two years, he’s written a series of deeply illuminating pieces for Foreign Affairs. In December 2022, the Kremlin listed Kolesnikov as a foreign agent.  Kolesnikov spoke with Foreign Affairs Senior Editor Hugh Eakin on January 8 about Putin’s hold on power and how Russians view their leader and his disastrous war. You can find transcripts and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • This is one of the main problems of Putin's current economic model.

  • And partial mobilization can spoil not only the public mood, which could be much gloomer than now.

  • It can spoil the economy.

  • There's a growing sense that Vladimir Putin is in a pretty good position as he heads into 2024.

  • Certainly that's what Putin wants the rest of the world to think,

  • that he can outlast Ukraine and its supporters in the West.

  • Yet the situation looks more complicated on the ground in Russia,

  • and there are a few people better positioned to make sense of the reality on the ground than Andrey Kolesnikov.

  • Kolesnikov, a journalist and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,

  • has been in Moscow since the war began.

  • Over the last two years, he's written a series of deeply illuminating pieces for foreign affairs.

  • In December 2022, the Kremlin listed him as a foreign agent.

  • Kolesnikov spoke with my colleague Hugh Akin earlier this week about Putin's hold on power and how Russians really view their leader in his disastrous war.

  • Hello, I'm Hugh Aiken, senior editor at Foreign Affairs, stepping in for Dan this week.

  • As we enter 2024, the war in Ukraine is reaching its third anniversary.

  • Vladimir Putin is preparing for a presidential election in March.

  • And I think it's fair to say that for much of the West, Russia remains conundrum.

  • But what about Russians themselves?

  • What do they think?