I'm Dan Kurtz-Falen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.
I think a lot of people are left to presume both Israelis and Palestinians that what the Israeli government simply means is the greatest possible level of destruction in Gaza.
And certainly that's how Palestinians, they're experiencing it.
Now we're not talking about the question of will it become a regional conflict.
It is a regional conflict.
Four months since October 7th, the war on Gaza continues,
with little reason to think that Israel is particularly close to achieving its declared goals.
And the Middle East is on the precipice of a full-scale regional war.
It may be that that war has already begun.
To understand where things go from here, I spoke to Dalia Schenlein,
who has written for Foreign Affairs on Israeli politics in public opinion,
and Dalia Daseke, who's written on the regional response to the war in Gaza.
Both had plenty to say about a better path forward,
but neither was hopeful that the key actors would choose to follow it.
I'm thrilled to be joined today by Dalia Schenlein.
She is the author of the new book, The Crooked Timber of Democracy in Israel, and Dalia Dasike,
a senior fellow at the UCLA Berkel Center and a Fulbright Schumann visiting scholar at Lund University.
Welcome to you both.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.