Bonus: The Middle East’s Dangerous Escalation

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  I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

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  I think that when you use strictly a military response to what is essentially a political attack and you don't have a political plan for the long term as to what your theory of victory is or what your theory of success is,

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  this is the kind of tit for tat that is quite common,

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  unfortunately, with state responses in their counterterrorism.

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  Ever since Hamas' attack on Israel on October 7,

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  the Middle East has flirted dangerously with a full-scale regional war.

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  Over the past week, the situation has escalated once again,

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  with strikes and counter-strikes that have put the region closer to the precipice than perhaps any point in the past year.

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  To discuss these latest developments and the future of Gaza, I was joined by Audrey-Kirth Kronin,

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  Mark Lynch, Dennis Ross, and Dana Struel for a foreign affairs event on August 1.

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  Good afternoon and welcome all to this discussion of the state of the war in Gaza,

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  as well as the risk of an escalating war in the Middle East more broadly.

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  This discussion very loosely marks the release of our July-August issue,

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  in which one of our speakers today, Audrey Kirthkronen, has a fantastic piece called How Hamas Ends.

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  Audrey is the director of the Carnegie Mellon Institute on Strategy and Technology,

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  and also the author of a really definitive book called How Terrorism Ends.

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  We stole the title for for the peace.

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  But I wanted to gather this particular group not so much because of the issue,

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  but because of the work they've all done in foreign affairs more generally in recent months.

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  I will very briefly introduce them before we get into discussion.

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