What Republican Foreign Policy Gets Wrong

共和党外交政策之失当之处

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2024-08-15

38 分钟
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As the U.S. presidential election swings into high gear, speculation about a second-term Trump foreign policy is also becoming more intense. Would he push radical changes to policy on China, or Ukraine, or the war in Gaza? Can his campaign promises be taken at face value? Would he be reined in—by staff, Congress, or his own aversion to risk?  Kori Schake has been one of Trump’s fiercest critics among Republican foreign policy hands. Schake is a senior fellow and director of foreign and defense policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute and the author of Safe Passage: The Transition From British to American Hegemony. She served on the National Security Council and in the U.S. State Department under President George W. Bush. Yet even while warning of the consequences of a second Trump term, she shares the view that U.S. foreign policy needs to change—to align with what she calls a new conservative internationalism that would invest in American strength without neglecting the rest of the world. You can find transcripts and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • You know,

  • the thing that Trump and Vance don't seem to realize is just how beneficial it is to the United States for people to want us to succeed.

  • The magnetism of American power makes everything cheaper and easier that we try and do in the world.

  • As the American presidential election swings into high gear,

  • Speculation about a second term Trump foreign policy is also becoming more intense.

  • Cory Shockey has been one of Trump's fiercest critics among Republican foreign policy hands.

  • Yet, even while warning of the consequences of a second Trump term,

  • she shares the view that America's foreign policy needs to change,

  • to align with what she calls a new conservative internationalism that would invest in American strength without neglecting the rest of the world.

  • Corey, thank you so much for joining me.

  • This is very long overdue.

  • It is such a great pleasure, my friend.

  • I want to start with an essay that you wrote in our January, February issue,

  • which is particularly interesting to reread in the context of a Republican presidential ticket that is,

  • I'm sorry to say, pretty frequently rejecting the prescription you lay on that piece.

  • That piece was called The Case for Conservative Internationalism.

  • And in that you note that, and I'm quoting you here, for decades since 1952,

  • the Republican Party had a fairly clear international vision,

  • promote American security and economic power