The Middle East, China, and the Case Against American Isolationism

中东、中国与反对美国孤立主义之案

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2024-09-27

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The world Americans face today is more complicated—and dangerous—than it has been for decades. Yet there is a growing, and in many ways understandable, desire to turn inward—a sense that there is little U.S. foreign policy can do to solve problems abroad and lots it can do to make them worse. Condoleezza Rice, director of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, argues against this impulse in a new essay in Foreign Affairs. Great powers, she writes, don’t get to just mind their own business.  Rice served as national security adviser and secretary of state in the George W. Bush administration. Much of what she grappled with then—Russia’s invasion of a neighbor, military collisions with China, the last major clash between Israel and Hezbollah—has worrying echoes now, especially as conflict in the Middle East threatens to spiral into a wider war. You can find transcripts and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • I would just ask that the Israelis start to think about when they think they have achieved their objectives vis-a-vis Hamas,

  • but also vis-a-vis Hezbollah.

  • That is a conversation that Americans can have with them,

  • but not on the front pages of the New York Times.

  • The world Americans face today is more complicated and dangerous than it's been for decades.

  • Yet there is a growing and in many ways understandable desire to turn inward.

  • A sense that there's little U.S.

  • foreign policy can do to solve problems abroad and lots it can do to make them worse.

  • Condoleezza Rice argues against this impulse in a new essay in Foreign Affairs.

  • Great Powers, she writes, don't get to just mind their own business.

  • Rice served as National Security Advisor and Secretary of State in the George W.

  • Bush administration.

  • Much of what she grappled with then,

  • Russia's invasion of a neighbor, military collisions with China,

  • and the last major clash between Israel and Hezbollah has worrying echoes now,

  • especially as conflict in the Middle East threatens to spiral into a wider war.

  • Secretary Rice, thank you so much for joining me.

  • Great to be with you.

  • So there's a lot in the essay you wrote for the September-October issue of Foreign Affairs that I want to cover.