The View From Israel One Year After October 7

以色列十月七日一周年之眼见为实

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2024-10-10

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A year has passed since Hamas’s October 7 assault on Israel sparked a brutal war in Gaza—one that is now spreading north into Lebanon and threatening to reel in bigger powers, including the United States. But the war has always been bigger than Israel and Hamas, writes Ari Shavit in a new essay for Foreign Affairs. In his view, and the view of many Israelis, the main threat—not only to Israel but also to the free world—is Iran, backed by Russia and China.  Shavit, a leading Israeli writer, has spent decades trying to make sense of Israel's identity, democracy, and role in the Middle East. He is the author of My Promised Land: The Triumph and Tragedy of Israel and Existential War: From Disaster to Victory to Resurrection. Foreign Affairs Editor Daniel Kurtz-Phelan spoke with him on October 4 about how Israelis are thinking about the conflict as it enters its second year—and what it will take to bring about peace. You can find transcripts and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • You cannot win a war,

  • and you cannot survive when you are an intimidated nation like Israel without a national strategy,

  • and we don't have a national strategy.

  • A year has passed since Hamas's October 7th assault on Israel sparked a brutal war in Gaza,

  • one that is now spreading north into Lebanon,

  • and threatening to reel in bigger powers, including the United States.

  • But the war has always been bigger than Israel and Hamas,

  • writes Ari Shavit in a new essay for Foreign Affairs.

  • In his view, and in the view of many Israelis, the main threat,

  • not only to Israel but also to the free world, is Iran, backed by Russia and China.

  • Shavit, a leading Israeli writer, has spent decades trying to make sense of his country's identity,

  • its democracy, and its role in the Middle East.

  • I spoke with him on October 4th about how Israelis are thinking about the conflict

  • as it enters its second year and what it will take to bring about peace.

  • Ari,

  • thank you for being here and thank you for the powerful piece that you just published in Foreign Affairs on the one-year anniversary of the October 7th attacks.

  • Thank you so much, Dan.

  • It's a pleasure to be with you.

  • I actually want to start not by...