I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.
The difference this time around is going to be there are no more adults in the room,
or the adults in the room will be slavishly devoted to Donald Trump's vision.
We will pay an enormously high chaos premium for President Trump as commander-in-chief and as chief diplomat.
Earlier this week, Donald Trump defeated Kamala Harris in the US presidential election,
ushering in a new era of uncertainty at home and abroad.
For a bonus episode, I spoke with Dan Dresner and Corey Shockey on Wednesday,
November 6th about what we might expect from a second Trump term on everything from wars in Ukraine in the Middle East to China and alliances to trade and immigration.
Dan Dresner is a professor of international politics at Tufts University Corey Shockey is Director of Defense and Foreign Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute and has served in senior jobs in the Defense Department,
the State Department, and on the National Security Council.
Together,
they reflect on the lessons of Trump's first term and whether this time he will take his America First agenda even further.
Corey Shockey and Dan Dresner, thank you both so much for joining me.
It's a great pleasure, my friend.
Happy to be here, sort of.
Fair enough I should say at the outset that we are recording this the afternoon of Wednesday,
November 6th So it's been under 12 hours I believe
since the election was called for Donald Trump and Kamala Harris just conceded a couple hours ago So we are in the very early stages of trying to understand what this means for US foreign policy and the world going forward And I'm thrilled to have both of you here to do that with me I want to start by looking backwards and going back to Trump's first term in office and the Trump foreign policy
as it actually was.
And that's not as his campaign rhetoric has characterized it.