Poland’s View From the Frontline of Europe

单集文稿 ...

• 00:00

  I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

• 00:05

  As the West, we made some terrible mistakes.

• 00:08

  You know, foreign policy is a series of predictions and bets with the future.

• 00:14

  And if you get your bets wrong, you lose.

• 00:18

  In early September, around 20 Russian drones entered Poland's airspace.

• 00:23

  NATO and Polish forces scrambled fighter jets to shoot them down.

• 00:26

  but not before several had traveled hundreds of miles into Polish territory.

• 00:30

  To Poland's foreign minister, Radek Sikorski, the incursion was not just the test NATO's resolved.

• 00:37

  It was a reminder of the precarious position of the alliance's frontline states as the war on Ukraine grinds on for its third year and as Donald Trump upends the basic bargain of the transatlantic alliance.

• 00:49

  I spoke to Sikorski on the morning of September 24th in New York,

• 00:53

  where he was attending the UN General Assembly,

• 00:55

  We discussed the ongoing threat from Russia and what it will take in Washington and European capitals to prevent it from escalating.

• 01:02

  But more than that, Sikorsky is grappling with a moment of sharp change in geopolitics,

• 01:07

  trying to understand both why the old order collapsed and how to navigate the new order just now taking shape.

• 01:22

  Roderick, thank you for joining me.

• 01:24

  It's a busy week in New York where we are having this conversation.

• 01:27

  And I imagine it's been a particularly interesting time to be in your job.

• 01:31

  Yes, indeed.

• 01:33

  Important shifts happening.

• 01:35

  Not only wars like in Sudan and Ukraine and Gaza, but also the future of the UN itself at stake.

• 全部文稿