The Reeducation of Russia’s Military

俄罗斯军队的再教育

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2025-10-09

53 分钟
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Ever since Russia started its war in Ukraine, assessments of its military power have vacillated wildly. First, Russian forces were supposed to overrun Ukraine and crush any resistance in a matter of days. Then, they were thought to be so weak that a Ukrainian counteroffensive or a new capability might cause them to collapse altogether. Now, with the war in its fourth year, and Donald Trump’s return to office bringing uncertainty about Western support, it has started to seem once again that time might be on Moscow’s side. Dara Massicot argues in Foreign Affairs that none of these images reflects reality. Since the invasion began, Massicot, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, has been analyzing the state of Russia’s military—its failure and its surprising resiliency. But what has struck Massicot more recently, and what she thinks many observers are missing, is the extent to which Russia has managed to learn and adapt—in Ukraine and beyond. She warns in a new piece for Foreign Affairs that “the Russian military will emerge from its invasion with extensive experience and a distinct vision of the future of combat”—experience it is already sharing with China, Iran, and North Korea. The United States and Europe should pay close attention. Because if they do not take it upon themselves to “study Russia’s studying,” as Massicot puts it, she worries that they risk not just losing Ukraine but also falling behind in the next global crisis. You can find sources, transcripts, and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Valen and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • There was this impression,

  • certainly the Russians believed that they would roll over and invade Ukraine and it would play out the same way as Crimea in 2014 where there really wasn't any resistance.

  • They assumed it would go that way and it didn't catastrophically wrong for the Russians.

  • And I think a lot of anchoring about the Russian military has been tied to that time,

  • that initial catastrophic blunder, but a lot has changed in the past four years for the Russians.

  • And I think we have to face what's happening here.

  • Ever since Russia started its war in Ukraine,

  • our assessments of its military power have vacillated wildly.

  • First, Russian forces were supposed to overrun Ukraine and crush any resistance in a matter of days.

  • Then they were thought to be so weak that a Ukrainian counteroffensive or new capability might cause them to collapse altogether.

  • Now, with the war in its fourth year and Donald Trump's return to office,

  • bringing uncertainty about Western support,

  • it has started to seem once again that time might be on Moscow's side.

  • Dara Masiko argues that none of these images reflects reality.

  • Since the invasion began, Masiko, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,

  • has been writing in our pages analyzing the state of Russia's military,

  • its failure and its surprising resiliency.

  • But what has struck Masiko more recently and what she thinks many observers are missing is the extent to which Russia has managed to learn and adapt in Ukraine and beyond.

  • She warns in a new piece for foreign affairs that the Russian military will emerge from its invasion with extensive experience and a distinct vision of the future of combat,