Hello, and welcome back to Inside Defence from our studio in London.
I'm David Rennie, the economist, geopolitics editor, standing in for Shashank Joshi.
And today,
we're going to dive deep into the world of Russia's hybrid warfare and grey-zone conflict with the West.
And joining me is Gordon Carrera.
He's the host of the Rest is Classified podcast and the author of several acclaimed books on intelligence.
Gordon.
Welcome to Inside Defence.
Thank you very much for having me here.
It's great to have you on.
We're really lucky to have you for this
because we want to really look at how there was always a shadowy side in the Cold War to that grand contest between the Soviet Union and the West.
But there was a dark bit too.
There were the murders in back alleys.
There were the kind of mysterious fires on railway lines.
And today Russia isn't.
in open warfare with the West.
But that dark side of the contest is back with a vengeance.
And so we're going to explore how Russian sabotage has taken a 21st century turn.
There's now a gig economy for spies.