Manipulation

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Overthink

2026-01-20

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Should we be sympathetic towards manipulators? In episode 157 of Overthink, Ellie and David talk about manipulation. They discuss what makes up a manipulative personality, why manipulators see social interaction as inherently combative, and what you can do when you find yourself entangled with a manipulator. They also explore what Niccolo Machiavelli tell us about the role of manipulation in politics. Should political leaders always be kind? Or, as Machiavelli says, do they need to learn to “be bad”? And what can we say about manipulation outside of politics? Does manipulative behavior require awareness and intention? Are all forms of manipulation inherently bad? And where do we draw the line between manipulation and other types of social influence? In the Substack bonus segment, your hosts discuss how manipulators perform on the ultimatum game and whether philosophy is the only form of non-manipulative discourse. Works discussed: Anne Barnhill, “How philosophy might contribute to the practical ethics of online manipulation” Robert Greene, 48 Laws of Power Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince George Simon, In Sheep’s Clothing: Understanding and Dealing with Manipulative People Enjoy our work? Support Overthink via tax-deductible donation: https://www.givecampus.com/fj0w3v Join our Substack for ad-free versions of both audio and video episodes, extended episodes, exclusive live chats, and more: https://overthinkpod.substack.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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  • Hello and welcome to Overthink.

  • The podcast where two professors explore the relevance of philosophy to daily life.

  • I am David Peña Guzman.

  • And I'm Ellie Anderson.

  • As always, for an extended version of this episode,

  • community discussion and more, subscribe to Overthink on Substack.

  • Ellie, today we're doing an episode on a topic that was recommended to us by our listener,

  • Isabella Oliveira Mello.

  • So we are really excited to be talking about manipulation,

  • which seems to be something people want to hear about.

  • Yeah, thank you for the great recommendation, Isabella.

  • I actually want to start by talking about a book that I first came across in high school and that has had an outsized impact in...

  • certain sectors of the public sphere since, namely, like, Manisphere YouTube, let's say.

  • And that is Robert Green's book, The 48 Laws of Power.

  • Like, there are so many videos about this, so many articles written about this.

  • So many listicles.

  • Yeah, many listicles.

  • Actually, the book is kind of like...

  • a glorified listicle itself.

  • It's a long stickle.