How is AI changing warfare?

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  Hello and welcome to Inside Defence.

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  I'm Shashank Joshi, the Economist's Defence Editor,

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  and today we're talking to one of the men behind one of Europe's largest defence startups.

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  Four years ago, Torsten Ryle co-founded Helsing, which makes AI-enabled weapons.

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  Today, the firm is worth over 12 billion euros.

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  Torsten, welcome to Inside Defence.

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  Thank you.

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  Great to be here.

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  Thank you so much for joining us.

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  I'm delighted you're here.

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  Let's begin by reflecting on your background, because it's pretty interesting.

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  You're not a...

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  weapons maker by long background.

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  You studied biology, you founded a gaming company.

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  How did you wind your way into making things that blow things up?

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  Yes,

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  I'm not from the defence industry originally and when I sold my gaming company to Zynga in 2014,

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  I left in 2017.

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  I was kind of semi-retired but was getting more and more worried about European sovereignty and in particular European sovereignty as regards defence and specifically the third wave of defence,

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  essentially algorithms, artificial intelligence etc.

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