#AIS: Antonio Garcia Martinez & Glenn Greenwald debate Ukraine, moderated by David Sacks

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  All right.

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  This segment is on Ukraine, and we're calling it the Ukraine debate,

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  because we have two great writers and thinkers up here who are on slightly different sides of this issue of the US involvement in Ukraine.

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  Antonio Garcia Martinez writes, is the author of the best-selling book,

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  Chaos Monkeys About Silicon Valley.

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  He writes a sub-stack called Pull Request and also has a great Colin show.

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  And Glenn Greenwald is back with us from yesterday.

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  Also, a phenomenal writer who has an amazing sub-stack.

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  All of you guys should check out as well.

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  And a great Colin show.

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  So in setting up this topic,

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  let me just say I think that in thinking about the US involvement in Ukraine,

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  you know there's not a lot of debate about this topic and in that sense it's pretty similar to other wars that the US has gotten into.

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  Many of you probably are not old enough to remember when the US got into Iraq or Afghanistan and I'm not old enough to remember the US getting into Vietnam but the thing to understand about all those wars is that they were incredibly popular at the time that we entered them and by the time that they ended they were not and now I'm not saying I'm not prejudging Ukraine and saying it's one of those.

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  I think there's important differences that we should get into.

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  But I think we should at least have this debate, and we need more discussion around this.

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  And so, for that, I'm grateful that Antonio is kind of excited to participate.

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  So what I'm gonna do is kick it to each of them for kind of five minute opening statements And then we'll just get into sort of more of a back-and-forth and we'll start with Antonio Cool.

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  Thanks.

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  Thanks,

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