Senator Ron Johnson on the Senate showdown over Trump's Big Beautiful Bill | All-In Interview

参议员罗恩·约翰逊就参议院就特朗普的“大美法案”进行的对决进行采访 | 全员访谈

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

2025-05-25

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(0:00) Friedberg and Chamath welcome Senator Ron Johnson (2:30) The Reconciliation Bill process, how much the Big, Beautiful Bill will add to the national debt (14:33) Problems with growing our way out of debt, why elected officials are avoiding the fiscal reality (24:53) Energy rescissions, future of DOGE (32:09) How Senator Johnson will force a real review of the Big, Beautiful Bill; future of MAGA and the Conservative movement (54:15) Next steps if the Big, Beautiful Bill passes (58:35) Post-interview recap Follow Senator Johnson: https://x.com/RonJohnsonWI Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect
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  • Power corrupts.

  • Government is power and it's been corrupt.

  • Nobody knew in total how much we spend because we never even talk about it.

  • The first goal of this Republican budget reconciliation should be don't add to the deficit.

  • I voted for President Trump because I wanted him to defeat the deep state.

  • You don't defeat the deep state by continuing to fund it.

  • It binds the levels.

  • Our base is going to go, why did we elect you guys?

  • You're really no better than Democrats.

  • I don't think President Trump is not focused on reducing spending.

  • This is our one opportunity.

  • And right now we're blowing it.

  • And I'm going to do everything I can to make sure we don't blow it.

  • I can't be pressured by President Trump.

  • He's willing to sit down with me, look at the numbers,

  • acknowledge them, working forward in a reasonable plan forward.

  • That's the only way he's going to get my support.

  • So everyone has assumed that the House passage of the reconciliation bill is going to go to the Senate with some minor changes and then make its way to President Trump's desk

  • for signing.

  • But that may not be the case.