The College Crisis: Heads of Dartmouth & Berkeley Debate the Decline of US Universities

大学危机:达特茅斯与伯克利校长就美国大学衰落展开辩论

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

2025-09-16

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(0:00) Introducing Dartmouth President Sian Beilock and Berkeley Chancellor Rich Lyons (1:14) The student loan burden (8:03) DEI at US universities (13:56) Administrative bloat (16:12) Trump vs the Ivy League, viewpoint diversity (21:56) Impact of K-12 education declining (25:13) Will AI learning kill higher education? (29:14) Rising unemployment among recent graduates (31:35) Role of endowments Thanks to our partners for making this happen! Solana - Solana is the high performance network powering internet capital markets, payments, and crypto applications. Connect with investors, crypto founders, and entrepreneurs at Solana's global flagship event during Abu Dhabi Finance Week & F1: solana.com/breakpoint. https://solana.com/ OKX - The new way to build your crypto portfolio and use it in daily life. We call it the new money app. https://www.okx.com/ Google Cloud - The next generation of unicorns is building on Google Cloud's industry-leading, fully integrated AI stack: infrastructure, platform, models, agents, and data. https://cloud.google.com/ IREN - IREN AI Cloud, powered by NVIDIA GPUs, provides the scale, performance, and reliability to accelerate your AI journey. https://iren.com/ Oracle - Step into the future of enterprise productivity at Oracle AI Experience Live. https://www.oracle.com/ Circle - The America-based company behind USDC — a fully-reserved, enterprise-grade stablecoin at the core of the emerging internet financial system. https://www.circle.com/ BVNK - Building stablecoin-powered financial infrastructure that helps businesses send, store, and spend value instantly, anywhere in the world. https://www.bvnk.com/ Polymarket: https://www.polymarket.com/ Follow Sian: https://x.com/sianbeilock Follow Rich: https://x.com/richlyons Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg
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  • I was just sitting here contemplating about how I'm going to pay back all my student loans.

  • I applied over 300 jobs.

  • I don't have a job.

  • Student loan debt just reached an all-time high $1.48 trillion as of June of this year.

  • A historic drop in U.S.

  • college enrollment.

  • We exist to educate, to teach you how to think, not what to think.

  • We'd better be thinking about big transitions or transformations if I can use the word

  • because There's a lot of new competition coming into our market Ladies and gentlemen,

  • please welcome Berkeley Chancellor Rich Lyons and Dartmouth president see on by lock Hello, sir,

  • thank you

  • for joining us What an interesting time to lead a university in America so many things to talk about but I wanted to start with the premise that Student loan debt seems to be a challenge on the young population,

  • the emerging working population today.

  • At the same time,

  • government research funding seems to be getting cut back and there seems to be questions about the administrative overhead fees that are getting paid.

  • What is the business model of the university today,

  • the revenue and the expenses and what does it look like going forward from your point of view and how are you planning for that?

  • Let's just start with that broad picture about the business model and how it's changing.

  • There's a lot to that question.

  • I'll start and Sian will certainly have lots to contribute.