Jimmy Soni - Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and the Paypal Mafia

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  Okay, I'm super excited about this one.

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  Today I'm interviewing Jimmy Sony.

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  He's the author of Rome's Last Citizen,

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  a biography of Cato, a Minded Play, a biography of Cloud Shannon,

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  and most recently, he's the author of The Founders,

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  the story of PayPal and the entrepreneurs who shaped Silicon.

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  Valley.

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  So Jimmy, let's just jump into it.

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  So, you know, your previous book was about Claude Shannon,

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  and he comes up with information theory while he's working at Valla.

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  This is a place that's, you know, famously,

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  famously comfortable, you know, they have a monopoly from the government.

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  And then so the scientists, they have time, they have freedom.

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  They're not pressured by competition.

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  And on the other hand, you have, and obviously,

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  as you talk about six Nobel Prizes, transistor, laser, Unix, the On the other hand,

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  you have PayPal, they're constantly on the verge of going under incredible pressure,

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  you know, long hours, and this is also a place that produces tremendous amounts of innovation.

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  How do these different places promote innovation?

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  Yeah, it's a great question, and it is interesting to think about just how different they are.

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