2022-09-14
1 小时 31 分钟Okay, today I have the pleasure of speaking with Charles Mann,
who is the author of three of my favorite books,
including 1491, New Revelations of America Before Columbus,
1493, Uncovering the New World Columbus Created, and The Wizard and the Prophet,
two remarkable scientists and their dueling vision to shape tomorrow's world.
Charles, welcome to The Lunar Society.
It's a pleasure to be here.
My first question is, how much of the new world was basically baked into the cake?
So at some point,
people from Eurasia were going to travel to the new world and they're going to bring their diseases.
disparities and where they would survive.
If the asthma glue theory that you cite is correct,
then at some of these places were bound to be better,
have good institutions, some of them were bound to have bad institutions.
And all because of malaria,
there were going to be shortages in labor that people would try to fix with African slaves.
So how much of this was just bound to happen if if Columbus hadn't done it,
maybe 50 years down the line, somebody from, you know, Italy does it.
Well, like, what is the contingency here?
Well, I think some of it was baked into the cake.