Bethany McLean — Enron, FTX, 2008, Musk, frauds, & visionaries

贝丝·麦克莱恩 —— 安然、FTX、2008年、马斯克、欺诈者与Visionaries

Dwarkesh Podcast

2022-12-21

1 小时 25 分钟
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This was one of my favorite episodes ever. Bethany McLean was the first reporter to question Enron’s earnings, and she has written some of the best finance books out there. We discuss: * The astounding similarities between Enron & FTX, * How visionaries are just frauds who succeed (and which category describes Elon Musk), * What caused 2008, and whether we are headed for a new crisis, * Why there’s too many venture capitalists and not enough short sellers, * And why history keeps repeating itself. McLean is a contributing editor at Vanity Fair (see her articles here) and the author of The Smartest Guys in the Room, All the Devils Are Here, Saudi America, and Shaky Ground. Watch on YouTube. Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or your favorite podcast platform. Follow McLean on Twitter. Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes. Timestamps (0:04:37) - Is Fraud Over? (0:11:22) - Shortage of Shortsellers (0:19:03) - Elon Musk - Fraud or Visionary? (0:23:00) - Intelligence, Fake Deals, & Culture (0:33:40) - Rewarding Leaders for Long Term Thinking (0:37:00) - FTX Mafia? (0:40:17) - Is Finance Too Big? (0:44:09) - 2008 Collapse, Fannie & Freddie (0:49:25) - The Big Picture (1:00:12) - Frackers Vindicated? (1:03:40) - Rating Agencies (1:07:05) - Lawyers Getting Rich Off Fraud (1:15:09) - Are Some People Fundamentally Deceptive? (1:19:25) - Advice for Big Picture Thinkers Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe
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  • this line between a visionary and a fraudster.

  • You know, you think that there are two opposite ends of the spectrum,

  • but in reality, they're where the ends of the circle meet,

  • but somebody has the ability to put a vision forward like Jeff Skelling did at Enron,

  • like Elizabeth Holmes did at Parenos, like SPF did.

  • Then you're particularly susceptible.

  • Self-delusion is such a strong component of all of these stories of business gone wrong.

  • The line between what happened at Enron and what happened in the global financial crisis,

  • It's not a matter of black and white.

  • Well, do you believe in the efficient market hypothesis?

  • The rapid implosion of a company worth tens of billions of dollars,

  • insider dealing and romantic entanglements between sister companies,

  • a politically generous CEO who is well connected in Washington,

  • the use of a company's own stock as its collateral, the attempt,

  • the short-lived attempt to get bought out by a previous competitor,

  • and the fraudulent abuse of a mark-to-market accounting.

  • We are not talking about FTX, we are talking about Enron, which my guest today, Bethany McLean,

  • first broke the story of, and has written an amazing and detailed book about,

  • called The Smartest Guys in the Room.

  • And she has also written a book about the housing crisis, All the Devils Are Here,